Testing out the new sig and avatar

What yah think?


Please comment!

if u vote in the poll voice your opinion in a comment

I agee with your sig, Andrew. Completely agree. As for me being a person who was almost aborted, I don't take this situation lightly. So, I am completely Pro-life.

Thats awesome madi

I don't agree with taking away a woman's choice to her own body, but the avatar has got some good design.

ok explain this to me then.

is murder wrong?

yes it is most people agree on that, but its so hard for people like you to get that abortion is murder.

Murder as defigned by dictionary.com "To kill (another human) unlawfuly"

is then abortion any diffrent? the killing of an un born child knowingly willingly killing another human

shouldnt they have a choice? yes they should but its people like you who take that choice away

You people are complete idiots.

And I am not in the best mood right now, so you do not want to mess with me.

I don't want to see this crap on the boards. This is not, and let me repeat not a debate forum. Leave the kid alone for having his opinions.

Don't debate anything in the first place without backing anything up. And you do not take a choice away from unborn infants, they are not developed enough to make choices for themselves. So, like I said, don't debate anything unless you know what you are talking about.

That being said, I'm locking this topic, and whoever starts another without permission is getting a ban from the chatbox until an admin decides to unban you.

I must say, I agree with Bri on this one. A thread like this could just degenerate far too quickly. If this was in one of the old "special" forums, I could perhaps see better reasoning behind it.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have an opinion on something, but this isn't the place for it. If you'd like to discuss something, PLEASE take it to PM's. People have done it before, you can as well.

Unlocked and moved.

We now appear to have a forum to suit this thread, so let's try again. Keep it clean, please.

So if they were developed enough they might choose to die? No, they wouldn't and even if they did it would be called suicide which is illegal.
What if someone decides they wanna kill it after its born? Should the mother be allowed to decide to kill it then? No thats illegal! When actually it is the same exact thing.
How can people care more about saving dumb animals than a young unborn human being?

After it's born, it's living on it's own, biologically.

Before the umbilical cord is cut, the baby is, essentially, a limb to the mother. It takes blood from the mother. If I wished to cut of my arm, who are you to stop me?

So if you go to a doctor and just say "My leg hurts and I don't want it anymore, so just cut it off for me" They'll do it?

under that pretense josh, even after a child is born, if the umbilical cord isn't cut yet, the child can be killed. Even if it is breathing, living on its own, its connected to its mother and using her vitamins and nutritiens, it can be killed, because its not biologically on its own yet. wrong. even 3rd trimester abortions are illegal, in a nation where we now have a woman who had 15 abortions in 17 years writing memoirs and becomming FAMOUS for it.

Great to see this back open


I am pro life, please don't misunderstand this following statement.


Lets say we make abortions illegal. if a mother dosen't want her baby and she kills it after its born. which is worse abortions or murder. in my opinion its the same there isn't a diffrence.

if you don't understand pm me i can explain

A very large percentage of children who go into foster care end up in crime and drugs or living a sub-par life.

Also, Castigo, the information in my signature isn't made up. Just letting you know.

I think that if I wanted to chop off my leg, I should be allowed to do it.

Finally, A study found that 88.73% of all abortions occur before the child even has a fully developed heart (at or before 12 weeks). I don't consider a 2 inch lump of cells without a fully developed brain, heart, or anything along those lines a human being. Third trimester abortions are virtually unheard of. If you're having so much unprotected (Censored) that you don't know you're pregnant until 6 months in, some-thing's wrong. The study stated above also showed that only about 1.17% of abortions occurred in the third trimester.

P.S. Abortion sends babies to heaven faster

I have to point this out.


I absolutely adore you, Skate.

Firstly --- Abortion truly is wrong. In the sense of - Oh my, I didn't realise that prenancy could result in this, let's get rid of this problem. That I agree with.

Secondly --- Most people say ,,Welll, what if it's rapeee....?" Allow me to say that LESS than one percent is rape and incest. Less than. The rest is sheer birth control. Obviously, that is wrong, and shows huge irresponsibility on the part of the parent[s] [mother].

Now, should abortion be illegal? Goodness, no way! It should be more immoral than anything. As for the life of said children placed in foster care -- I can vouche for that one hundred percent. I have personally experienced that [I haven't been in foster homes], though I did help take care of and watch over foster children, and their lives were absolutely horrible. I knew exactly where they were going in life.

That being said, aside from the birth control issue [Which is absolutely insidiously ridiculous], were it actually a more severe issue, forcing the mother to carry it is wrong. That's taking control of a woman's body, and leaving her with no choice.

The point is -- it IS a personal choice that may be immoral at times, that should not be controlled by government. That would make us a more extreme socialist economy [Not that it isn't heading in that direction].

Bri, I find that your post is rather confuseing. How can you say

"Firstly --- Abortion truly is wrong. In the sense of - Oh my, I didn't realise that prenancy could result in this, let's get rid of this problem. That I agree with."


"it IS a personal choice that may be immoral at times, that should not be controlled by government."

If you think abortion is wrong, how can you then say that its not right for the government to force these women into something? If you can explain better shoot me a pm

Skate6566 wrote:A very large percentage of children who go into foster care end up in crime and drugs or living a sub-par life.

so because kids may lead a bad life we should just kill them instead? what happened to "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"
then it is a problem with the foster care system we should be taking care of, not destroying the kids.


point 2- everyone is speaking about the womens rights, but what about the mans? the child is just as much his as it is hers, it is just as much her fault as it is his, and if he wants to keep his child then he should be allowd to, and yet most of the time a women will get an abortion anyways because she doesn't think he had any right to it what so ever. if she didn't want to get pregnant she should have been more careful, but now if that childs father actually wants to keep the baby that is his right.

Verry good point

i always wonder about that how come the descion is all the womans. But, most of the time the man doenst care sad to say. There are places women can got to get help. abortion is not the last option.

Yes Andrew. There are many counseling clinics that these women can go to for help.

Going onto what Sammy said about the father's also having a choice in a situation like this...

As is what happened with me, Sammy. My father wanted to keep me, my mother wanted to abort me. Guess who won?

That is a very good point. A child IS just as much the father's as it is the mother's. It is his right to be able to speak his mind about what should happen to the child. Then the mother and father can come to a conclusion. Still, I believe that the mother should keep the child either way and put it up for foster care or adoption. Find a good family to take care of it. Don't suck it down a sink.

The foster care system, however, is a mess. My best friend came from the foster care system and is almost 3 grades behind where she should be. That is because the system kept taking her in and out of school, and from home to home. My godmother adopted her, and she will be adopting her smaller sister as well. They are 2 out of 6 that were/are in foster care, as the other 2 are in a mental hospital. The foster care system doesn't bother to even LOOK for a place that they might actually STAY in, they just call around and put them there temporarily.

Oh no. A debate against Josh. I'm dead meat.

Skate6566 wrote:A very large percentage of children who go into foster care end up in crime and drugs or living a sub-par life.

A very large percentage, but not 100%. Not everyone is going to end up going down the course of "wrong-doing". Also, what's the rate of kids in crimes and drugs that lived with their birth parents?

Sammy Lyn wrote: ...*snip*... point 2- everyone is speaking about the women's rights, but what about
the mans? the child is just as much his as it is hers, it is just as
much her fault as it is his, and if he wants to keep his child then he
should be allowed to, ...*snip*...

I agree. I don't see why the man couldn't care for the child himself if the mother doesn't want anything to do with it.

I'd also like to know how many women get abortions without even telling the "father", due to thinking he might say no to helping. Who knows? He might actually man up.


My opinion, I am not for abortion. I'd rather see the child adopted to a family who wants it then then it get killed off before it has a chance to make it into the world. And yes, the man IS just as at fault as the woman. They make condoms for a reason, not just to fill up shelf space during those mid summer lull's in stocking.

Just my $.02 for now.

again though, thats a problem with the system, that is no reason to simply murder the children, which i know is absolutely not what your saying madi, just reinforcing xD ditto to cody

everyone is speaking about the womens rights, but what about the mans?

Perhaps it's because the man doesn't go through the nine months to give birth to a baby, and the man doesn't have to deal with the pain of it? Furthermore, maybe it's because the woman will be more scarred by the decision than the man? It's the women's body, it's the women's decision. Not a hard equation, really.

It seems that a lot of people bring up the option of group homes. Who says that's the only reason why a mother could want to get an abortion? What about birth pain? You making it illegal is essentially forcing the mother to go through pain; the definition of torture. Sounds a lot like the inquisition to me, but I could be overly-extrapolating this.

And yes, the system is incredibly flawed. But would it not be socialism(?) to take away the mother's choice? Not everybody will agree with your views. You don't want an abortion; fine. But what gives you the right to take away someone else's choice? God?

I have to say who voted prochoice, you read the bible. Any form of murder counts a baby, a child, a teenager, a wife, a husband, a friend, or anyone who is a person. Says it clearly.

Skate6566 wrote:
P.S. Abortion sends babies to heaven faster

Alright then you go mass murder everyone in the world to send them to heaven faster and I'll stay here and debate someone else.

Skate6566 wrote:
What about birth pain? You making it illegal is essentially forcing the mother to go through pain

The government isn't the one making women pregnant. They chose to sleep with someone. If they didn't want to have a child then they shouldn't have done that. They have the right to choose not to get pregnant, they shouldn't have the right to choose to murder a child.

Skate6566 wrote:Who says that's the only reason why a mother could want to get an abortion? What about birth pain? You making it illegal is essentially forcing the mother to go through pain; the definition of torture.

And abortion is painless? You also wouldn't be forcing the mother to do anything that she shouldn't have been prepared for at the beginning. What can I say? I'm narrow minded.

Skate6566 wrote:And yes, the system is incredibly flawed. But would it not be socialism(?) to take away the mother's choice?

Was it socialism for prohibition to exist and take away the choice to drink?